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		<title>By: So Cal Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.thesportsbank.net/chicago-white-sox/sox-exchange-bailout-plan-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-19910</link>
		<dc:creator>So Cal Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s unusually quiet on the hot stove league front right now.  Last  year during Thanksgiving Day weekend the logjam of free agents and resulting moves started to break free with the Angels snipe signing of Torii Hunter.  That of course led to the disasterous Nick Swisher trade too.

Jenks, Dye and Vazquez are all rumored to be being shopped by Kenny.  My best guess it that Kenny figures Jenks will want more than a three year contract, which the Sox won&#039;t give to any power pitcher.  But the drop off from Jenks to Dotel and/or Thornton is precipitous in the closer role.  My guess here is that Kenny&#039;s thinking &quot;closer by committee&quot; until Poreda is ready.

I get why Kenny&#039;s likely shopping Dye too, and it has everything I&#039;m willing to bet with the Sox not wanting to put Josh Fields at 3B full time.  So you slide Quinten to RF and limit your defensive liabilities by moving Fields to LF, and free up a big chunk of change to perhaps pursue Orlando Hudson, and you don&#039;t have a resulting big power drop off with Fields playing every day.

And Vazquez DOES have good trade value, simply because he eats up a lot of innings and never goes on the DL.  But the domino&#039;s have to first start fallilng as to where Sabathia, Lowe and Burnett land first.

And Konerko DOES have good trade value too, but of course would have to waive his &quot;5 and 10&quot; no trade rights.   Poster &quot;Reality&quot;, what you&#039;re overlooking is that Kobnerko had a painful soft tissue injury to his right hand the first half of last season that limited his power and bat speed.

Word out here on the West Coast is that Angels owner Arte Moreno is balking at giving Texeira any more than a 7 year deal (Bor-ass wants 10);  that would leave the Angels without a first baseman and short a power bat to protect Vlade in the lineup.  So a Konerko for Matthews Jr. deal would be pretty much a wash money wise and would solve a problem for both teams.

Konerko and Kenny though are golfing buddies and of course Paulie&#039;s a huge favorite.  I would think that if Kenny had ANY intention of shopping Paulie, he wouldn&#039;t have given up on Swisher so quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unusually quiet on the hot stove league front right now.  Last  year during Thanksgiving Day weekend the logjam of free agents and resulting moves started to break free with the Angels snipe signing of Torii Hunter.  That of course led to the disasterous Nick Swisher trade too.</p>
<p>Jenks, Dye and Vazquez are all rumored to be being shopped by Kenny.  My best guess it that Kenny figures Jenks will want more than a three year contract, which the Sox won&#8217;t give to any power pitcher.  But the drop off from Jenks to Dotel and/or Thornton is precipitous in the closer role.  My guess here is that Kenny&#8217;s thinking &#8220;closer by committee&#8221; until Poreda is ready.</p>
<p>I get why Kenny&#8217;s likely shopping Dye too, and it has everything I&#8217;m willing to bet with the Sox not wanting to put Josh Fields at 3B full time.  So you slide Quinten to RF and limit your defensive liabilities by moving Fields to LF, and free up a big chunk of change to perhaps pursue Orlando Hudson, and you don&#8217;t have a resulting big power drop off with Fields playing every day.</p>
<p>And Vazquez DOES have good trade value, simply because he eats up a lot of innings and never goes on the DL.  But the domino&#8217;s have to first start fallilng as to where Sabathia, Lowe and Burnett land first.</p>
<p>And Konerko DOES have good trade value too, but of course would have to waive his &#8220;5 and 10&#8243; no trade rights.   Poster &#8220;Reality&#8221;, what you&#8217;re overlooking is that Kobnerko had a painful soft tissue injury to his right hand the first half of last season that limited his power and bat speed.</p>
<p>Word out here on the West Coast is that Angels owner Arte Moreno is balking at giving Texeira any more than a 7 year deal (Bor-ass wants 10);  that would leave the Angels without a first baseman and short a power bat to protect Vlade in the lineup.  So a Konerko for Matthews Jr. deal would be pretty much a wash money wise and would solve a problem for both teams.</p>
<p>Konerko and Kenny though are golfing buddies and of course Paulie&#8217;s a huge favorite.  I would think that if Kenny had ANY intention of shopping Paulie, he wouldn&#8217;t have given up on Swisher so quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: paulmbanks</title>
		<link>http://www.thesportsbank.net/chicago-white-sox/sox-exchange-bailout-plan-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-11431</link>
		<dc:creator>paulmbanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vote4Sox,

we will answer your questions in the next couple of days.

Reality, and So Cal Jack,

good to have you here. welcome. please feel free to voice your plans for fixing the Sox</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vote4Sox,</p>
<p>we will answer your questions in the next couple of days.</p>
<p>Reality, and So Cal Jack,</p>
<p>good to have you here. welcome. please feel free to voice your plans for fixing the Sox</p>
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		<title>By: Reality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its funny that people think players like Konerko and Vasquez have any trade value.  The Sox would be lucky to get rid of the bad contracts and a mid-level prospect.  The think the Rockies would even want Vasquez is hilarious and then on top of that, give up a young centerfielder with speed with a favorable contract.  Come on guys, be realistic.  It would be fun to think of trading Alberto Pujols for Brian Anderson, but that is just stupid.  Also, I do hope that the Sox sign Hudson so they lose their first round draft pick thus continuing the traditional of having a crappy farm system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny that people think players like Konerko and Vasquez have any trade value.  The Sox would be lucky to get rid of the bad contracts and a mid-level prospect.  The think the Rockies would even want Vasquez is hilarious and then on top of that, give up a young centerfielder with speed with a favorable contract.  Come on guys, be realistic.  It would be fun to think of trading Alberto Pujols for Brian Anderson, but that is just stupid.  Also, I do hope that the Sox sign Hudson so they lose their first round draft pick thus continuing the traditional of having a crappy farm system.</p>
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		<title>By: Vote4SoxIn09</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vote4SoxIn09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is almost identical to my offseason wish list. I like your reasoning and descriptive comments behind each move. Some of my questions are, what do we give up for Tavarez? The Rockies are looking for starting pitching and with Javy Vazquez&#039; meltown I think we can probably ship him off to Colorodo for Tavarez and relief pitcher Vizciano (former 2005 relief pitcher). He bolsters our bullpen and adds speed to our lineup. I think Konerko for Chone Figgins is a very good posibility. But this will only happen if the Angels DONT re-sign Texiera. I don&#039;t think Furcal will be our SS next year. All signs indicate that it will go to Alexie. With that being said I think the Sox WILL win the Orlando Hudson battle in free agency. 

What about the starting pitching then? If we trade Javy to Colorodo, and with the career threatening injury to Contreras, there are big 2 holes. Do the Sox trade for another SP? Do they sign a pitcher via free agency? Not only do we need to give up some of our power for speed, but for at least 1 more starting pitcher. Guys like Matt Cain and Jake Peavy are currently being offered... stay tuned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is almost identical to my offseason wish list. I like your reasoning and descriptive comments behind each move. Some of my questions are, what do we give up for Tavarez? The Rockies are looking for starting pitching and with Javy Vazquez&#8217; meltown I think we can probably ship him off to Colorodo for Tavarez and relief pitcher Vizciano (former 2005 relief pitcher). He bolsters our bullpen and adds speed to our lineup. I think Konerko for Chone Figgins is a very good posibility. But this will only happen if the Angels DONT re-sign Texiera. I don&#8217;t think Furcal will be our SS next year. All signs indicate that it will go to Alexie. With that being said I think the Sox WILL win the Orlando Hudson battle in free agency. </p>
<p>What about the starting pitching then? If we trade Javy to Colorodo, and with the career threatening injury to Contreras, there are big 2 holes. Do the Sox trade for another SP? Do they sign a pitcher via free agency? Not only do we need to give up some of our power for speed, but for at least 1 more starting pitcher. Guys like Matt Cain and Jake Peavy are currently being offered&#8230; stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>By: So Cal Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>So Cal Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Signing Furcal is totally unrealistic given the White Sox projected payroll for 2009 as is.  Furcal&#039;s going to want a long term deal starting at least around $11M/year.  Konerko&#039;s worth more in a deal than just Shawn Figgins straight up too, and the Angels owner has said he&#039;s going to &quot;hold the line&quot; and not increase payroll next year (meaning to take on a salary like Konerko&#039;s, the Sox will have to take one back in return).

So there are three deals I can see happening, all involving Konerko.  Konerko is on record as saying that he&#039;d be open to a trade to either a Southern California team or of course Phoenix (which is home), but if a team on the west coast like the Giants were to offer a contract extension, I think he&#039;d go there as well.  So here are the three possible deals:

1) Konerko to the Dodgers for Juan Pierre, a good pitching prospect and cash (the difference between Konerko&#039;s and Pierre&#039;s remaining contracts);

2) Konerko and Mac Dougal (bad contract), to the Angels for Figgins and Gary Matthews Jr. (bad contract going back the other way offsetting Konerko&#039;s contract); and

3) Konerko to the Giants for SP Matt Cain (Giants have money to spend and are seeking a clean up hitter).

Swisher obviously is a defensive liabiility in CF so it just makes the most amount of sense to move him full time to IB.  Pierre&#039;s a mediocre center fielder (girly arm like Jerry Owens), but he&#039;s a legit leadoff hitter.  Matthews Jr. is a former gold glove center fielder, but since he (alledgedly), went off the juice he can&#039;t get up over the .250 bar (making him expendable), and the Vlad Guerreo is up for a big contract extension (I would think making it enticing for them to include Figgins just to dump Matthews).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Signing Furcal is totally unrealistic given the White Sox projected payroll for 2009 as is.  Furcal&#8217;s going to want a long term deal starting at least around $11M/year.  Konerko&#8217;s worth more in a deal than just Shawn Figgins straight up too, and the Angels owner has said he&#8217;s going to &#8220;hold the line&#8221; and not increase payroll next year (meaning to take on a salary like Konerko&#8217;s, the Sox will have to take one back in return).</p>
<p>So there are three deals I can see happening, all involving Konerko.  Konerko is on record as saying that he&#8217;d be open to a trade to either a Southern California team or of course Phoenix (which is home), but if a team on the west coast like the Giants were to offer a contract extension, I think he&#8217;d go there as well.  So here are the three possible deals:</p>
<p>1) Konerko to the Dodgers for Juan Pierre, a good pitching prospect and cash (the difference between Konerko&#8217;s and Pierre&#8217;s remaining contracts);</p>
<p>2) Konerko and Mac Dougal (bad contract), to the Angels for Figgins and Gary Matthews Jr. (bad contract going back the other way offsetting Konerko&#8217;s contract); and</p>
<p>3) Konerko to the Giants for SP Matt Cain (Giants have money to spend and are seeking a clean up hitter).</p>
<p>Swisher obviously is a defensive liabiility in CF so it just makes the most amount of sense to move him full time to IB.  Pierre&#8217;s a mediocre center fielder (girly arm like Jerry Owens), but he&#8217;s a legit leadoff hitter.  Matthews Jr. is a former gold glove center fielder, but since he (alledgedly), went off the juice he can&#8217;t get up over the .250 bar (making him expendable), and the Vlad Guerreo is up for a big contract extension (I would think making it enticing for them to include Figgins just to dump Matthews).</p>
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		<title>By: chriscassata@gmail.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>chriscassata@gmail.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will you people learn, speed is overrated.  We need players capable of putting up good to high OBP.  I&#039;ll take a consistent doubles hitter over Pierre/Tavares ANYDAY of the season...

Wise up Sox fans, and u 2 Sportsbank...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will you people learn, speed is overrated.  We need players capable of putting up good to high OBP.  I&#8217;ll take a consistent doubles hitter over Pierre/Tavares ANYDAY of the season&#8230;</p>
<p>Wise up Sox fans, and u 2 Sportsbank&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now lets take a step into the real world and note how delusional White Sox fans are.  It think that Konerko has any trade value with declining ability and a big contract is absolutely insane.  The same goes for Thome.  Also, the Angels have no control over Figgins unless the Angels resign him or he accepts arbitration.  Even if Figgins was under control of the Angels, it would take more than just Konerko to pry Figgins away from the Angels.  Tavares is in the same boat as Figgins, still arbitration eligible.  Even if Tavares was able to be traded for, who are you going to trade to the Rockies?  Poreda?  Floyd?  Danks?  Nick Punto will resign with the Twins.  Also KW mortgaged the farm system to get Nick Swisher.  Good move.  Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now lets take a step into the real world and note how delusional White Sox fans are.  It think that Konerko has any trade value with declining ability and a big contract is absolutely insane.  The same goes for Thome.  Also, the Angels have no control over Figgins unless the Angels resign him or he accepts arbitration.  Even if Figgins was under control of the Angels, it would take more than just Konerko to pry Figgins away from the Angels.  Tavares is in the same boat as Figgins, still arbitration eligible.  Even if Tavares was able to be traded for, who are you going to trade to the Rockies?  Poreda?  Floyd?  Danks?  Nick Punto will resign with the Twins.  Also KW mortgaged the farm system to get Nick Swisher.  Good move.  Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: paulmbanks</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulmbanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Meg yes, Facebook is very different from Myspace. I&#039;m on both and it seems, from my experiences that Facebook is significantly less White Trash and spam filled than myspace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Meg yes, Facebook is very different from Myspace. I&#8217;m on both and it seems, from my experiences that Facebook is significantly less White Trash and spam filled than myspace.</p>
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		<title>By: paulmbanks</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulmbanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>remember this story people? the one that set a TSB record with 111 comments? the same one I did for NBC Chicago.com that broke their record for 176 comments! It&#039;s the night I followed Soxman and Batboy together at the ballpark to chronicle the evening. If you look on my myspace and facebook you&#039;ll see a pic of me with Soxman AND Batboy, along with their good friend Bobby Biceps.

http://www.thesportsbank.net/2008/07/22/a-night-at-the-ballpark-with-soxman/

And I told someone else the Chris Getz thing last week. They were like oh my God yes, totally. Theresa thought so too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remember this story people? the one that set a TSB record with 111 comments? the same one I did for NBC Chicago.com that broke their record for 176 comments! It&#8217;s the night I followed Soxman and Batboy together at the ballpark to chronicle the evening. If you look on my myspace and facebook you&#8217;ll see a pic of me with Soxman AND Batboy, along with their good friend Bobby Biceps.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thesportsbank.net/2008/07/22/a-night-at-the-ballpark-with-soxman/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thesportsbank.net/2008/07/22/a-night-at-the-ballpark-with-soxman/</a></p>
<p>And I told someone else the Chris Getz thing last week. They were like oh my God yes, totally. Theresa thought so too.</p>
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		<title>By: Soxman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soxman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS.  I wanted to thank everyone for their continued support of my character and for all of your posts on this site.  It means a lot to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS.  I wanted to thank everyone for their continued support of my character and for all of your posts on this site.  It means a lot to us.</p>
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